Beltug challenges Oracle and Microsoft: Takeaways from the X-change of 29 Nov 2018


Giving our members – business users only! - the chance to meet directly with vendors in a shared setting to discuss specific issues, is a key value Beltug offers. These ‘Beltug Challenges’ events enable us to put common issues on the table, for greater transparency.

Recently we challenged Oracle and Microsoft, as many Beltug members are customers of one or the other, and have questions regarding their software licensing policies. These include (among other issues) how licence models will evolve with the growth of cloud services.


In particular, cloud services are easy to ramp up, both in terms of number of users and of software functionality deployment. But customers are often penalised for this, through reductions in discounts, change fees, etc., and other elements that drive costs up. In addition, we wanted to explore the exit possibilities for cloud.

It was clear from the conversation and experiences in both sessions how many questions and uncertainties business users face.

Note that in the coming weeks we will challenge Google and SAP.


The presentations from the challenge to Oracle and Microsoft are available for Beltug members (after log-in):


Beltug challenges Microsoft

In the lively discussion, we discussed a range of questions and themes, including:

  • Recent price changes and their impact
  • Exit clauses
  • Changes in licence metrics when launching new software versions
  • The evolution to cloud and on-premise rights when buying cloud licences
  • Cloud software and compliance risks
  • Evolution of the audit policy with the shift from transactional, on-premise licensing to subscription- / user-based licensing.
  • The use of questionnaires and on-site audits to help verify the security of cloud services, and the availability of alternatives.

Microsoft admits the licences are complicated. In the future, much more will be done via self-service possibilities, and not necessarily via partners.


There have been complaints about price increases, and participants also mentioned that, when transitioning from on-premise to cloud, there will be an overlap during which you will be paying both operational costs and the extra cloud costs, because everything cannot be transferred at exactly the same time.


Participants also raised questions of compliance.


Beltug challenges Oracle


Certain questions were prepared in advance for Oracle, covering topics such as:

  • Oracle Processor metrics calculations, when deployed on VMware environment
  • The procedures Oracle requires to limit the number of physical hosts in the count
  • An explanation of why Oracle does not offer a solution for customers who are virtualising with VMWare or Hyper-V on their X86 systems
  • An explanation of why companies must pay for the entire cluster and the connected clusters to which migration is possible, rather than paying only for the virtual environment used (as is the case with other vendors).
  • The cooperation with other vendors to run their workloads in the Oracle cloud.  Are the workloads supported?

The discussion was essentially focussed on the new licenses for Java.


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